Wednesday, November 4

Forza 3 is no Gran Turismo carbon copy


It has been literal war between the fans of Forza and those of Gran Turismo. The battle rages on many fronts, from graphics, to physics, to gameplay. Gran Turismo is the racing sim that is synonymous with gamers worldwide as the leader. It should be; the franchise has been around from the original Playstation days. Forza on the other hand is a relatively newcomer, but don't be fooled by its short history, because the game handles and feels totally different from the venerable Gran Turismo.


You may not like Turn 10 because of the lousy statements they've been making which it seems, is to cast a negative light on the GT franchise. However, respect must be given when it's due. There's a gradual progression that Turn 10's been able to manage that's not only impressive, but feels different with every Forza title. If racing is your thing, and you're on the fence considering whether to purchase this game, or should you wait to buy Gran Tursimo 5 instead, We have news for you. Buy both because Forza Mortor Sport is no Gran Turismo carbon copy, here's why.

According to tech analysis done by digital foundry, Gran Turismo 5 Prologue "emerges as a classier looking game" despite technical wins for Turn 10. Not because it can't look better, (this is up for debate) but because the two studios have different priorities and choose to apply resources in areas that would set their games apart.


Examples:

Turn 10 would rather implement a feature like rewind, than spend those resources to try and top the graphical fidelity of GT5. Rewind by the way is very unique feature, and has received unanimous praise from franchise lovers.

Another feature you won't find in GT5 is the ability to swap user-generated content, which by the way is a revolutionary innovation in any racing simulator.

While the GT series has been known for its excellent handling, Turn 10 is no slacker in said department either. Redefining its handling and feedback model is also a very important element.

Digital Foundry gave both games a test on the Suzuka circuit lap in a Ferrari 599, and both felt completely different according to their tests, completely different, but with complete satisfaction. This stands as a testament of the different feel both games offer.

To conclude, this article was not intended to start a flame war of any kind, but rather to celebrate the evolution of two of the best racing sims ever developed. And although GT5 will capture the respect of more individuals because of name recognition, excellent innovation and longevity, the new kid on the block ain't playing no games. And like GT, Forza has contributed tremendously to the racing genre.

11/04/09 Ernice Gilbert

76 comments:

  1. Nice read, forza is good, but for sure, GT is far beyond it

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  2. Has Forza contributed tremendously to the racing genre? Don't think so.

    The rewind feature is one created to cater the casual gamers. No self-respecting hardcore racing gamer will ever use it and most just want to disable it.

    Swapping user-generated content is fun and all but in the end, its just another feature that makes you spend way too much time out of the tracks, where you should be. No relevant addition to the genre.

    Unfortunately GT5 doesn't seem to be revolutionizing anything at all too, but at least Polyphony is trying to polish everything that truly makes GT stand out from the rest of the pack: the huge amount of perfectly depicted cars (both in visuals and handling) and variety of events (nascar, wrc, etc.).

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  3. Forza has certainly better physics and handling. Absolutely no doubt about it. Now as far as GT is concerned this franchise has been sitting on its laurels since GT3 with little gameplay improvement. Forza 3 feels like a fresh title while GT5 Prologue feels like GT4 but only with graphic improvements.

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  4. arcade physics and crash model, ugly graphics, poor two DVD, etc.

    flopza

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  5. lets see forza cartoony cars and tracks
    GT5 real life looking cars and tracks
    Forza rewind mode
    GT5 weather and day night cycle
    which one to buy
    gee what a tough choice
    PS3 power is starting to show, the 360 is so last gen com;pared to the black and now grey beast.

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  6. Forza 3 may be "good". But GT5 is excellent. Take this from owner of ps3 and x360. Even GT5 prologue (which is a mere demo and 2 years old one) far surpasses forza 3 in graphics and most important feeling of driving a car.

    Forza 3 has great community features, but how can you even compare these 2 games when one of them is not even out? How GT5 will handle community is a complete mystery.

    950+ cars, track editor, online features, 70 tracks, amazing physics and graphics and who knows what - yes, only in GT5.

    I understand the fans of x360 have the need to defend their choice (console and it's only decent racer - forza 3), I did that too until I got PS3 and saw prologue. Trust me, there is no comparing these 2 games.

    Enjoy forza, but trust me, if GT5 was on x360 too (even if it would take 5-6 dvds), forza3 would have very small audience.

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  7. You say gt5 wont swap user generated content.....
    There is a track editor in gt 5 with functions to share them.... Seems like a better option than only being able to swap thr racing stripes of your car...

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  8. I own both consoles and am a huge racing fan. When push comes to shove, there is no comparison, GT5 (yes even prologue) wins for a simple reason: it feels better. Forza 3 feels arcady still no matter how much praise reviewers have given it, plus no support for the Logitech G25?....I say No. I love my 360 and game on it way more than my PS3 due to the FPS genre, but seriously all of this crap about Forza like it's some sort of racing God is stupid. the Game is ok, just ok.

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  9. how r they gonna compare gt:p to a full fledged game? this is a stupid article. gt5 owns!

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  10. forza is crap, my bro had 2, now he just got 3, and hes thinking of trading it in after 3 days playing, he says (and ive seen) its jus not enough of an improvement from forza 2, which as gak as well..

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  11. Sounds like sour grapes from xbox fans. The rewind feature was available in 'RaceCar GRID' and it really annoyed me in that game. Let's make the game REALLY easy so that you aren't punished for lazy mistakes. What a joke, and as for sharing racing stripes, I find this mind boggling as to why ANYBODY would find that the least bit satisfying. I like my racing games to look real, not like I'm playing a Pixar movie. At the end of the day it is a silly comparison as one is a SIM and the other isn't.

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  12. Wow Sony fanboys really are stupid. Don't like the rewind feature? Don't use it. Problem solved. Arcadey physics?? Lmfao. Turn off he assists. Cartoony graphics? WTF?! Buy a new tv.

    I own both systems. I love both systems. I will purchase and enjoy gt5 but I'm gonna give credit where credit is due. Forza 3 is amazing and you retards need to stop with the anti Sony anti Microsoft stuff. The game is excellent. Stop being biased. Damn....

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  13. Why do GT5 fans have to cut up Forza like Forza has done something bad to them, there is room for both and fans of both and to say Forza is not good as GT5 is crazy and very foul,GT5 has not been released yet, not until 2/2/2010 pre order in the US so how can you determine that the game is better at this point and you have not even played the full version yet?I think GT5 fans want this game to be a great game so bad that the only way they can keep their hopes up is talk down about the one thats giving them a run for their money. I am not not saying that GT5 is goIng to be bad, all I am trying to say is if you like GT5 then play it and stop bad talking Forza because guess what people have and will buy it because they are fans of the series and do like it, just like the GT5 fans like and will buy GT5. Keep gaming and stop fighting.

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  14. The problem is that they're two different games in what they're trying to achieve. Forza is a racing game whilst the GT series is a driving game. The difference is that Forza is all about the challenge of defeating other people, GT has always been about the challenge of mastering the car.

    The AI in GT5: Prologue is laughable, I saw better in the ToCA series on the PS1. However, the pleasure I get from the game isn't in racing the opposition it's from the unity between car and track. Sweeping through 130R at Suzuka and feeling the traction ebbing away before correcting the throttle and powering out down to the Casio triangle is a fantastic sensation. This is where GT excels.

    It's funny to me that racing games are all compared directly to each other despite often differing approaches. Look at the like of DiRT, Forza, GriD & GT and you'll see wildly different experiences and yet you don't get that with so many other genres. You don't see people comparing Halo to Rainbow 6 even though they're both FPS's and yet people think that a car game is a car game is a car game.

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  15. Forza 3 could solve world hunger, kill ALL of the terrorists, create an efficient energy source that ends dependence on fossil fuels AND give me a lap dance all at the same time and I still wouldn't buy the POS. Greenwalt is a lying, arrogant pr*ck and his game can suck go the rust off of my AMC Gremlin's fenders. He brags like an insecure fratboy with penis envy and then his game can't even back it up. Forza IS NOT the "definitive racing game of this generation." If it were, people wouldn't bother comparing it to a two year old demo. I hope Turn 10 goes out of business and Greenwwalt ends up riding the register at Conoco.

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  16. tell me how the rewind feature in forza so unique? wasnt it used in GRID and DiRT 2?

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  17. I've spent a week playing Forza 3. The Forza series isn't as classy as the Gran Turismo series. The graphics are a bit dodgy at times, some courses seem to be more detailed than others. Also, the cars look a bit dodgy from the inside. It's a great racer, but I can't see Forza 3 being more polished than GT 5. This is coming from someone who's been a gamer for 29 years and spots everything...

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  18. I find it funny, ironic, and sad that Forza fans sit there and cry "Don't badmouth Forza.". Meanwhile you have no problem with the Forza devs themselves badmouthing GT5 not only every chance they get, but right on the E3 presentation stage, the most public of gaming forums. It's a highly disrespectful and dishonorable move on Turn 10's part, but 360's brainwashed fanboys have no problem with that. But yet when real racing fans point out how Forza 3 comes up short in every single way as a sim racer, and GT5P alone is a better sim, nevermind GT5 with it's VAST content, even more realistic physics, weather, day/night, and a track editor, those same fanboys cry foul. They (360 fanboys) are the most hypocritical cry babies in gaming history. They bash everything on PS3, but if you say anything about their games they go bananas. Sad.....truly, truly sad.

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  19. Let's put things in a perspective. As good as both of those titles are, neither can hold a candle against the best racers on a PC. The real hardcore simulations are to be found there. As a simulation, both Forza and GT series are only good. The most realistic simulations are on PC. Luckily both titles have their strenghts elsewhere and that's what makes them brilliant games. Just don't claim either of these to be hardore simulations. It just isn't true.

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  20. This has been posted on N4G hence the childish, poorly spelled, bile filled comments from the SDF.
    Ruining a great article and removing any chance of having a sensible conversation in the comments section.
    Thank you SDF.

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  21. This author is just drowning in insecurity. Why else would you spend time defending an inferior game? GT5 comes with a track editor. How is that not revolutionary?

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  22. Track editor is hardly revolutionary. PC has had it for ages...

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  23. I seriously doubt that any of the Forza 3 haters have actually even played the game. Commenting a game without even playing it, is just plain sad.

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  24. Very nice read. I like both Forza and GT. I feel that the swapping of user generated content( car setups) and the rewind feature are cop-outs to better entice the casual gamer."revolutionary"? I don't really agree. But otherwise a very nice generally neutral article.

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  25. 1st: Forza 2 was the best racing sim of this generation (9.0 metacricic score). This means that in order to make Forza 3 become the "definitive racing game this generation" Greenwalt only needed to surpass his previous game!!!! And actually.... he did (9.2 metacritic score). So not only he has atchieved the "definitive racing game this generation" (at least for now), but he has the 2nd best secured under his belt (for more than 2 years)!!!!

    So any GT fanboy..... can shut his lousy mouth!!!! FACTS ARE FACTS!!!!

    2nd: Since forza 3 scored an average of 9.2/10, this means that the margin that GT5 has to surpass it, is slim (0.8). Of course it is possible (especially given Poliphony Digital record tracks)..... but less plausible (at least if we take Gran Turismo PSP reviews as an indicator of what is to come).

    3rd: At present, Forza 3 is already an OUTSTANDING game (again..... FACTS ARE FACTS), while there is no garantees about what GT5 will be (it might not be as good). Eveen if GT5 manages to outperform Forza 3 (in march), it will AT BEST score 0.8 better!!! This simply means that it is ridiculous to see a fanboy war over two rival games.... especially when both games are pretty much on par!!! Even if GT5 scored 10/10, it WOULDN'T make Forza 3 a lousy game (9.2 still stands for OUTSTANDING on most gaming sites). In other words.... if I dated BEYONCE, I wouldn't envy my brother for dating MEGAN FOX!!

    4th: I saw some postes above asking what inovations Forza brought..... well, most of you may not know (since last generation you were blinded by what the INFERIOR PS2 had to offer.....) but while most of you were stuck playing GT4 and showing off your 600 + rides (with 10 different Skylines R34, and 5 different Toyota Supra, etc, etc)and superb grafics, even though Forza 1 provided less tracks and less stunning visuals than GT4,it offered ON-LINE play (a promess for GT4 never fullfiled by Polipnony Digital), 8 CARS ON TRACK (compared to 6 in GT4), and DAMAGE MODELLING (the same thing that ironically, Yamouchi clamed that car manufacturers didn't give him the licence to do!!!) ENDLESS TUNING OPTIONS (far beyond what GT offered). As a result, Forza 1 surpassed by far GT4 last generation(scoring 9.2 on metacritics vs GT4's 8.9).

    Moral of the story: Turn 10 did better than Poliphony Digital last gen...... so it comes as no surprise if they do it again!!!!
    STOP ORGASMING AROUND GRAN TURISMO.... it's no longer the KING of driving simulation on consoles!! FACTS ARE FACTS!!

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  26. Gran Turismo is like Jay-Z he was gone and now he is back

    Peace!

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  27. LOL @ butt hurt Sony fanboys! BOOYA!!!

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  28. all gt5 fan were the game at forza came out with 2 game and sony came out with oooooo gt5 should ben out all ready there should ben 2 or 3 gt5 maybe 2 all ready man... come on sony stop taking to long i have both ps3 and 360 dam hate waiting

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  29. forza will always be a GT wanna be

    and the game is on the same level as need for speed shift, GT is way above

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  30. Who's the moron who wanted to talk about facts? Here are some facts:

    There have been 4 major entries in the GT franchise, selling a combined total of 50 million units (Average of 12.5 million per game).

    No major game in the history of GT has sold LESS than 10 million copies, numbers that any Breakbox 360 game could only DREAM of.

    Forza 3 has sold somthing like 12 copies so far. Garbage sales for a garbage game. GT 4 sold about 15 million copies during it's life, the entire Forza FRANCHISE can't even top that, those are some facts for you.

    LOL at the idiotic 360 fanboys - get a racing game to sell 10 million or keep your ignorant mouths shut!

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  31. i think the sony boys need to stop being ignorant how can you abuse a game you havent even played ? forza is a top game and i'm sure any real racing game fan would enjoy it.

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  32. I personnally really like Forza and I own both PS3 & Xbox. Will buy GT5 as well cos I adore he series but I think each series has its pros and cons. Forza isn't GT5 and GT5 isn't Forza, stop the whole my game's better than yours

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  33. i can do a 170 mph drift in nfs carbon and can get 2million pts

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  34. David Mcfail
    Halo 3 has sold more than 10 million. FACT.

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  35. What a fucking retard Sony fanboy. 12 copies of forza3 sold? Are you stupid or just a plain cluster fuck? Grow up dude. The game is good. Competition is good for the industry. Quit sucking on sonys ball sack. Damn you are pathetic.

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  36. Ah yes, the normal string of "Anonymous" retarded fanboys who like to troll forums without any sense of intelligence or decency, how predictable.

    First of all, Halo 3 isn't a racing game, you retard. I would think even the most dim -witted 360 fanboy would have known that, do you even know what videogames are?

    To the other guy - why don't you quit sucking on your mum's ball sack you uneducated little Microsoft Sheep? Forza hasn't sold NEARLY as many copies as GT. Are you stupid or do you just not follow the games industry at all?

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  37. DONT compare a game thats out to a game thats not out!!! In this years TGS GT5 was only 65% done!!!!!!! Their can still be drastic changes in GT5!!!!!!

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  38. going on 4 year for ps3 still no gt5 still yet u cant count gt5p it not a real racing game it a demo come sony froza motor spots came out forza2 and forza3 game with in 4.5 years sony gt5 sould ben out all ready sony would be making money they would ben coming out with gt6 and make more money... call me massapeal79

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  39. Guys guys, watch the language. Let's keep it clean.

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  40. David McFail
    you said
    "numbers that any Breakbox 360 game could dream of."

    ANY,
    you said ANY 360 game could dream of.

    But yes you used a name well done. I'm sure it's even your real name. Me going by the Anon profile on here doesn't make my comment any less wrong and you having a name doesn't make any comment you've ever said right.
    Again you McFail.
    (See why I don't use a name?)

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  41. I think you all need to stop living in fantacy world. You want the best graphics and best handling, get a real car, and take it to a track. lol.

    Its a GAME...your all idiots for argueing about it. Play the one you like, who cares what anyone else says.

    I bet half of you wouldn't know if the cars in the game handle "real" or not. Cuz you've driven a real ferrari at 156 mph right?

    Get a real life and a girlfriend/boyfriend, then you won't have time to sit on the internet like a looser and argue about any video game. I bet GT5 will be the best racing sim ever. But it better be for 4 years of development. The "boxers" have had 2 new forza's in that time.

    Play them both and choose yourself. your all retarded for fighting online.

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  42. And yet you, the one calling everyone retarded and idiots, arguing online about people arguing online over a game are better somehow?

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  43. Again, you need to learn to read. I was talking about GT as a franchise. I said no major game in the GT FRANCHISE has sold less than 10 million. Halo 3 sold 10 million, yes, however Halo 1 only sold 5 million and Halo 2 sold 6 million. So has any major game in the Halo franchise sold less than 10 million you uneducated little troll? Yes!

    Is there a single franchise on the 360 that can match GT's numbers? No!

    Forza Moronsport has had 3 major entries into the franchise and hasn't sold half what GT has with 4. That's a fail.

    Also, i like the way you changed some of the letters in my last name to make a completely different word. Obviously your parents gave you a real classy education. I'll bet the real reason you don't use your real name is because your mother is one of those adult movie whores who's been with just about everybody in your country and you're too ashamed of your own pathetic family to acknowledge your own existence.

    I'll bet you use the name "Anonymous" in school as well, LOL.

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  44. At the guy calling everyone here losers - learn to spell you freaking retard. In that little rant you managed to mis - spell the words "Fantasy", "Arguing" and "You're".

    Maybe you should go back to school and get a life instead of prowling around the internet spamming forums and making a complete assclown out of yourself.

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  45. You should say what you mean then and not what you meant to say. You said 360 GAME could dream of not 360 gaming franchise.
    Coincidentally no game on the ps3 has sold near Halo 3 numbers.
    Started conducting yourself with intelligence and dignity yet? I don't think so from reading your comments.
    What was GT's competition when it came out? What was the competition to both Playstations?
    That's why it's sold so well. Two factors that it no longer has in it's favour. It has to rely on its name. It could do it, just don't be shocked if it doesn't.

    That last line did make me laugh.
    But please show me your classy education as I'm not seeing it.

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  46. Lots of Fanboyism in this write up which led this to bea horrible article.

    Both GT series and Forza Series are wonderful.

    Quick being butthurt, play your damn games, and enjoy them.

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  47. all i have to say gt5 should ben out all ready now. gt5 is out in march or April thats crazy is sould ben out 2 years of the ps3 it does not take that long for a racing game. it didn't take forza people that long for racing people wack up people it should ben gt6 out in march or April.... what next after gt5 is going to take another 8 or 9 years for gt6 .... massapeal79 o i have both ps3 and 360 p.s. my ps3 died 4 days a go now thats crazy....was not expend that from sony ps3 but i will pay to fix it...

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  48. GT is a better overall racing sim. forza may try to compete with GT but its not in the same league. thats all there is too it.

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  49. I dont see the comparison, GT5 isnt out- Forza 3 is- maybe they are both pretty damn good?

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  50. To the guy replying to me - what was GT's competition when it came out? Err......Colin Mcrae? Need For Speed? Project Gotham Racing? Mario Kart? Wipeout? Pick one you uneducated troll. LOL - it's obvious you don't folow the videogame industry very closely at all - the way you're talking it's like you think GT was the first racing game to be invented.

    What was the competiton for both Playtations??? You've gotta be kidding me! Again - Nintendo 64? PC? Sega Dreamcast? Xbox? Gamecube? Pick one you moron - LOL.

    Coincidentally no game on the Xbox 360 has been able to match GT 4's numbers - or even come close for that matter.

    Start conducting yourself with dignity and at least have the common sense to admit when you're wrong.

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  52. Those aren't racing simulators McFail.
    An arcade racer is different to a simulator. How many racing sims have homing seeking red shells?
    There's a reason Forza and GT are compared because they are of the same genre. Racing SIM.
    It's obvious you don't know your games or history.

    Did any of those console shift any serious numbers to be serious competition? Nope.
    Those Playstations had the industry sewn up.

    Coincidentally no PS3 game has been able to match GT 4's numbers.

    Now get a dictionary and learn what dignity is then re-read your comments. They are not dignified. You are not. You are foul mouth-mouthed, immature and good for entertainment.

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  53. LOL at all those people saying that Forza is 'arcadey' in its simulation model.

    Forza is not arcadey AT ALL. it is a racing simulator, and the best on the console market - and even one of the best on ANY market. even the guys from Inside Sim Racing think its remarkable: http://insidesimracing.tv/, and theyre racing simulator fanatics.

    Forza 3s graphics are superb. the car models might not look as nice as those in GT5, but everything else looks better. the tracks especially - GT has always had dull, flat, lifeless trackside detail, and even the road textures are flat and repetitive. Forza 3 really shines in these areas.

    Forzas physics engine runs at 360 cycles per second. GTs feels like it would be at 60, one cycle per frame. In GT cars just understeer, and dont FEEL like real cars. in Forza they do. I own a WRX in real life, and the same car in GT handles like a brick, not even able to take 45 degree corners at half the speed i can in real life without understeering off the road. in forza, it handles like it should. in GT, my previous car - R32 GTS-T - cant even break traction off the line, or drift by power-on oversteer! anyone whos driven an R32 GTS-T in real life knows that even a moderate amount of throttle while turning will get the tail end out sideways, and spinning the wheels off the line is as easy as full throttle.

    to sum it up: Polyphony spend all their time and effort making Gran Turismo LOOK like a driving simulator. Turn 10 spend all their time and money making Forza FEEL like a driving simulator.

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  54. it looks like most of u have never played forza because to me forza 3 is so much more realistic,the stuff u can do on forza is insane. gt5 does not compare to forza,have u seen what u can do on forza wth the painting its crazy. its a simulater for sure.

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  55. Forza 3 is incredible. I can't put it down. GT5 will be equally as incredible.

    Everyone shut up about it. Games are meant to entertain, not cause social dilemas.

    I think most of the "angry" people here need to invest in a prostitute because all the build up from the years of no physical human contact has disturbed their minds.

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  56. I have owned a 360 for 3 years now, and can say that the whole forza series is a great one. It's latest installment, Forza 3, is a great one.

    It has great graphics, great gameplay and feels like a good all-round racing simulator.

    All I can say is, IMO, the GT5P alone feels like polyphony digitals' motto: The REAL driving simulator. Forza 3 does not a feel as realistic as GT5P (IMO, again), and based on that I think GT5 will emerge victorious amongst these 2 competitors.

    End of story, this all my opinion.
    P.S. 360 fanboys seemed to be following the same path as the F3 developers, defending it to the death with all they have. Sony fanboys need not get sucked into that brainwashed sheep line that 360 guys are already in.

    I have also owned a PS3 for 1 year, and I bought GT5 prologue as soon as I could. I must say, I feel that GT5P stands out in every way (except in size of the game, obviously because its a prologue). The graphics are much better (models and reflection off of the cars), the handling of the cars IMO are more realistic - you have to master every car and every turn on a track.

    I can only see the actual GT5 being a lot better than forza 3 - and it looks like the forza developers are on the defensive already by mouthing off against polyphony digital. But I can't make harsh judgements about GT5 or forza, because everyone needs to realise that it hasn't been released yet.

    You can't compare two games to each other (both fanboys) because the competitior is not even out yet, and won't be for a while.

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  57. @ November 4, 2009 8:33 AM
    Anonymous

    "Wow Sony fanboys really are stupid. Don't like the rewind feature? Don't use it. Problem solved. Arcadey physics?? Lmfao. Turn off he assists. Cartoony graphics? WTF?! Buy a new tv.

    I own both systems. I love both systems. I will purchase and enjoy gt5 but I'm gonna give credit where credit is due. Forza 3 is amazing and you retards need to stop with the anti Sony anti Microsoft stuff. The game is excellent. Stop being biased. Damn...."

    Most of the people bashing Forza have been people with both systems who have played both Forza and GT5P; hardly sony fanboys. You obviously just can't handle the truth from obvious unbiased gamers

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  58. Most people bashing Forza have never played it or any of the series.
    They are Sony fanboys rabidly defending GT5 causing Forza fans to have to defend their game due to the obvious lies and bile that someone reading these comments might believe to be true and could sway them against a great game and experience.

    Why can't sony fangirls ever leave 360 owners to enjoy their games?
    Why can't they ever say anything nice about the 360 without it being marginalised or a back-handed compliment.
    I swear it's just like a compliment from a woman. Rare and really an insult no matter how hard she tries to be nice.

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  59. To the retard replying to me - those racing games i listed are all valid, it is just you who is too thick to admit you are wrong. Colin Mcrae not a racing sim? Need For Speed not a racing sim? Ridge Racer not a racing sim? LMFAO - if that's what you think then it's obvious you don't even know what videogames are. Are your parents brother and sister?

    Finally - am i really foul mouth - mouthed? LOL, really? Really? Really.........REALLY? Foul mouth - mouthed is incorrect English and also improper sentence structure - i think it's you who needs a dictionary. Moron.

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  60. Ok McFail I missed the foul mouth-mouthed mistake but are you telling me you didn't understand? Maybe your brother and sister are your parents?
    It still is you who needs a dictionary as you insult to the high heavens when you're telling someone to act with intelligence and dignity. Still haven't looked up that word have you?
    You shouldn't be criticising someones English when you say things like "What was the competition for both Playtations??? (good use of the question marks there)
    A racing sim is a game that tries to simualte accurately real world racing. To be competitive in a sim the player must understand all aspects of the car and racing. It's this level of difficulty that distinguishes it from Arcade Racers that remove real world variables to create a sense of speed as opposed to realism.
    Mario kart is arcade, Colin McCrae at best is a semi-sim game. It's also a rally game.
    NfS = arcade. Or do you think a sim has you being chased by the police while you jump through construction sites to block them?
    GT was the first sim to be popular and sell well but had no other racing sim on its level to contend with.

    You need to learn game genres and sub-genres, get a history lesson and some manners while you're at it.

    You are every bit the phrase "Pot and kettle"

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  61. Why don't you two stop fighting and become wrtiers for GamesThirst? Obviously you both are very knowledgeable.

    On January 1st, we'll be launching our brand new website: www.gamesthirst.com.

    Interested? Shoot us an email - gamesthirst@yahoo.com.

    Tell us about yourself, who knows, you two might become friends; it happens all the time.

    Ernice Gilbert
    President/Editor-In-Chief of GamesThirst.com

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  62. David will write for PS3 and Anon for Xbox 360.

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  63. "David Macphail said...
    Who's the moron who wanted to talk about facts? Here are some facts:"

    "No major game in the history of GT has sold LESS than 10 million copies, numbers that any Breakbox 360 game could only DREAM of."

    First of all you stupid sucker..... GT2 sold LESS than 10 M copies! IN YOUR FACE BRO!!!

    "GT 4 sold about 15 million copies during it's life,"

    Actually, it didn't....... it sold 10.3M..... so do your home work before talking about FACTS!!!!! Stupid retarded!!

    "LOL at the idiotic 360 fanboys - get a racing game to sell 10 million or keep your ignorant mouths shut!"

    Since in your opinion copies sold are what make a game great..... than all you stupid Sony Fanboys should stop yielling about Uncharted 2..... it sold 2 copies compared to 5M sold by Gears of War 2!!!!! I wont even bother comparing KillZone franchise to the Halo franchise.... don't want to make you feel even more rediculous....

    Now if you really want to talk about GAME QUALITY.... I sugest you check out GT4 and Forza 1 reviews..... and compare both (since they came out pretty much at the same time). Too lazy for that??? I'll help you out:
    Metacric scores:
    GT 4: 8.9/10
    Forza 1: 9.2/10
    Question: If Forza is a lousy game..... what would you say about GT???? STUPID RETARDED!!!

    Again, Metacritic scores:
    Forza 2: 9.0/10
    Forza 3: 9.1/10

    WHAT RACING SIM ON CONSOLES THIS GEN SCORED HIGHER???? AGAIN...... SHUT YOUR STUPID MOUTH!!

    Next time, before bashing arrogantly.... make sure you did your homework!!!

    HAVE A NICE DAY..... RETARDED!!!!

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  64. To the first guy replying to me - how does me insulting people mean i need a dictionary? LOL - i don't quite see the connection there, i'm thinking you may have been dropped on your head a few too many times by your parents.

    Also, it was YOU who asked what the competition was for the Playstations, remember? Retard - i was just repeating what you said back to you.

    About Colin Mcrae - you're telling me it's not a sim but a semi - sim and you say that based on the fact that it's a rally game? LOL - it's a rally SIM you freaking moron. That's the EXACT same thing. You're telling me i need to learn about sub - genre's when you cannot accept the fact that a rally sim and a track sim are both sub - genere's of the RACING SIM. Obviously it's you who is calling the kettle black here.

    To the other guy - GT 2 sold 11 million copies worldwide - which is MORE than 10 million. Stop being a retard.

    Second, your English is terrible. you call me retarded when you should be calling me "Retard". If you want to describe a condition you say "You are retarded" if you are calling someone by name you say "Retard", the very fact that you confused the two whilst trying to insult me speaks volumes about the boundary issues your stepfather obviously has. you also mis - spelt the word "Yelling". LOL - you really are stupid.

    Uncharted 2 sold 2 copies? Uhh.....try 1.6 million, now who needs to get their facts straight? Retard (See, i was calling you by name, so i didn't say retarded, dumbass).

    Comparing ANY game on the crap - box 360 to GT would make fanboys like you cry with self - hatred. THAT is ridiculous (That's the correct spelling by the way you braindamaged moron, jot it down).

    Also, on the subject of Metacritic scores - Uncharted 2 had a higher score than ANY 360 exclusive.....or are you too lazy, braindead and inbred to realise that? LOL! You want to talk about game quality well in that case you must be admitting that every game on the 360 is complte garbage compared to Uncharted 2? ROFL - you morons are masters of self - ownage.

    What racing sim on consoles this gen scored higher? Err.....well seeing as how Gran Turismo 5 isn't even out yet it's kinda hard to say, don't you think you inbred swine? LOL - you must feel really stupid right about now.

    Next time....make sure you understand what you are implying before you say it you moron.

    Have a nice day.........retard (Correct using of the word).

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  65. A racing sim is different to a rally sim.
    You can't drive F1 cars in a rally sim.
    Learn the differences between the two.

    You said that people on don't conduct themselves with intelligence and dignity.
    I asked you to get a dictionary and look up dignity then re-read your comments to see if you've acted with dignity and intelligence.

    Also someone who types "Playtation shouldn't be bringing up other peoples spelling mistakes.

    Maybe I will apply to be a writer ;)

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  66. David Macphail said...

    "About Colin Mcrae - you're telling me it's not a sim but a semi - sim and you say that based on the fact that it's a rally game? LOL - it's a rally SIM you freaking moron."

    Well, actually, YOU ARE THE FUCKING MORON HERE, Colin Mcrae is NOT a rally sim (check out Richard Burns rally to see the difference) it's an ARCADY rally game!!! Without any knowledge of what a racing sim may be..... how the fuck can you even judge Forza or GT as sims!!! (it's like a virgin talking about sex!!!)

    "To the other guy - GT 2 sold 11 million copies worldwide - which is MORE than 10 million. Stop being a retard."

    Nope, actually it sold 9.37M.... (you are increasing the sails by 2M).... you fucker!

    "Uncharted 2 sold 2 copies? Uhh.....try 1.6 million, now who needs to get their facts straight? "
    Wow, 1.6 Million..... wanna compare it with Gears of War 5 Million copies???? Stupid retarded (was it spelled ok??? by the way thanks for the grammar lesson.... it always come in handy when you speak foreign languages). Ok, you might say that Uncharted 2 has just been released...... lets then compare Uncharted 1 with Gears 1 ( 2 Million vs 5 Million).... still wanna talk crap??? Don't think so....

    "Also, on the subject of Metacritic scores - Uncharted 2 had a higher score than ANY 360 exclusive.....or are you too lazy, braindead and inbred to realise that? LOL!"

    By the way.... remember Bioshock??? the game that all you PS3 fags masturbated on for a year (while it was exclusive to 360 and PC), Scored 9.6 on Metacritic (by the way, the PS3 version got 9.4).... the exact same score that Uncharted 2 got..... uups..... sorry about that! :)

    "What racing sim on consoles this gen scored higher? Err.....well seeing as how Gran Turismo 5 isn't even out yet it's kinda hard to say, don't you think you inbred swine? LOL - you must feel really stupid right about now."

    Well.... as far as I'm concerned, by your OWN WORDS, GT and Forza franchises are not the only sims around (Collin, Grid, etc), still forza 2 had the highest score until Forza 3 came out.... so his crown is still legit.
    However, judging by Forza 1 (9.2) vs GT4 (8.9).... hummm, I don't see what’s so obvious about GT5 being better than Forza 3.
    Additionally, if GT PSP (7.4) is any quality indicator...... NO COMMENT!!!! STILL WANNA TALK ABOUT QUALITY?????

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  67. To the first guy - You can't drive F1 cars in a rally sim? LOL - maybe that's because you can't drive F1 cars in a RALLY. If you could, it would not be a sim but rather an ARCADE game. Learn the differences between the two.

    To the guy making a fool out of himself - Colin Mcrae IS a rally sim, which makes you the freaking moron and an inbred swine. Do some research, heck, feel free to ask the devs themselves if you don't want to take my word for it.

    Also, i'm not increasing the "Sails" i'm increasing the "Sales" you uneducated little moron. LOL - also, i'm actually not increasing the sales at all, i just thought i'd point out that you're a loser who knows nothing about video games OR spelling.

    Gears 5 million? LOL - wanna compare that with Gran Turismo 10 million or Gran Turismo 3 12 million? Still wanna talk crap? I didn't think so, retard (Again, correct using of the word).

    LOL, regarding Metacritic scores, Bioshock is your excuse you freaking inbred troll? You're citing a multi - platform game as a defence for your argument??? The fact that you choose to name a game that is readily available on the PS3 shows just how pathetic the Xbox 360 and, by extension, YOU truly are. What's your next defence? GTA: IV? LMAO!!!

    Yes Forza has scored higher than Colin Mcrae and GRID so far this gen, nobody is denying that SO THERE'S NO NEED TO TALK IN CAPS LOCK LIKE A TROLL. However comparing a 360 game to a PSP version of Gran Turismo is kinda pathetic. Do you REALLY think GT 5 will get a Metascore of 7.4??? If you do you must be retarded.

    In your own words - every 360 exclusive (Including your precious Forza) is absolute pointless trash compared to LittleBigPlanet and Uncharted 2. That is what your beloved Metacritic.com has determined. So stop making an ass out of yourself and leave the Metascoring for when GT 5 has actually been meta - scored.

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  68. "By the way.... remember Bioshock??? the game that all you PS3 fags masturbated on for a year (while it was exclusive to 360 and PC), Scored 9.6 on Metacritic (by the way, the PS3 version got 9.4).... the exact same score that Uncharted 2 got..... uups..... sorry about that! :)"

    MacPhail said that U2 has a higher metacritic score than any 360 exclusive. He is still right. Bioshock is not a 360 exclusive. He is still right, leaving your statement in a big pot of hot water.

    "Colin Mcrae is NOT a rally sim (check out Richard Burns rally to see the difference) it's an ARCADY rally game!!! "

    Arcady rally game. Wow. Do I need to say any more? Re-read that again and again, it makes you sound more stupid everytime. Don't be so hypocritical, read your own previous comments about judging sims and you'll see what a fool you made of yourself.

    "Additionally, if GT PSP (7.4) is any quality indicator...... NO COMMENT!!!! STILL WANNA TALK ABOUT QUALITY?????"

    Yeah I want to. Firstly, GTPSP is no indicator, even you should know that. Secondly, what was with the "NO COMMENT!!!!"? You made a comment by saying no comment, well done - you're good at this whole english thing.

    " lets then compare Uncharted 1 with Gears 1 ( 2 Million vs 5 Million).... still wanna talk crap??? Don't think so...."

    As mentioned before, he was not talking crap. He was right about bioshock. And about U1 and GOW1, the 360 has sold 10's of millions of more consoles than the PS3, many of which have been bundled with GOW1. You'd want to hope that their flagship title/ series sells well. And you stuffed yourself over when you realised how long U2 had been out and then you went straight to U1 and GOW1- well done again.

    To conclude, GT5 and forza 3 are great sims, but you cant make judgements already seeing as though it hasn't been released yet (only on the graphics, in which GT5 already stands out in).

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  69. "To the guy making a fool out of himself - Colin Mcrae IS a rally sim,"

    ahahahah now I'm the one making a fool out of myself...... I'm sure that you also considered Mario Kart a Kart-simulator right???

    "Do some research, heck, feel free to ask the devs themselves if you don't want to take my word for it."

    Actually.... I play games before I give an opinion about them...... so I do not need to do some research to see that CM is an ARCADY game!!! Plus, any person driving a car in real life can easily see that that game is not a simulation..... (should start begging daddy to let you try out his ride sometimes.... you'll see what I mean)

    "And about U1 and GOW1, the 360 has sold 10's of millions of more consoles than the PS3, many of which have been bundled with GOW1. You'd want to hope that their flagship title/ series sells well."

    When GoW1 came out, there were less than 10M 360 sold.... however, when Uncharted 1 came out, there were more than 10M PS3 sold..... so comparing them both makes pretty much sense.

    "However comparing a 360 game to a PSP version of Gran Turismo is kinda pathetic. Do you REALLY think GT 5 will get a Metascore of 7.4???"

    I'm not comparing Forza1, 2 or 3 to GT PSP.... I'm just taking Poliphony new game as an indicator of what may be to come!!!
    I know that GT PSP reviews are ambarrassing for you........ The question is not if GT5 will score that low..... the question is rather: AFTER 4 YEARS IN DEVELOPMENT.... DID ANY OF YOU THINK THAT A SIM GAME MADE BY P.D WOULD BE SUCH A CRAP????? (I use to hear that Poliphony Digital guarantees quality!! :P)

    ""Additionally, if GT PSP (7.4) is any quality indicator...... NO COMMENT!!!! STILL WANNA TALK ABOUT QUALITY?????"

    Yeah I want to."

    Still waiting...... havn't red nothing about quality comparisons between Forza and GT in your poste! And I understand why..... the comparisons made between the only 2 games of both franchises that can be compared (GT4 and Forza 1).... don't seem to prove your point!! Sorry...

    "To conclude, GT5 and forza 3 are great sims, but you cant make judgements already seeing as though it hasn't been released yet (only on the graphics, in which GT5 already stands out in).
    "
    GT4 also stood out in the grafical side compared to Forza 1...... however we both know who stood out as the best sim....:P
    Think about that......

    I didn't come here to compare both games (I don't give a shit which one is better.... I'll buy tem both)..... I came here because I'm sick and tired to hear Sony fanboys bashing about a game they've never played.... especially when that game (Forza 1)was better than the one (GT4) they take as THE MASTER PIECE OF RACING SIMS!!!

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  70. To the idiot who still doesn't know what a rally sim is - you just managed to mis - spell the words "Polypohny", "Embarassing", "Read", "Post", "Graphical" and "Them".

    Stop replying kid, you're just making an idiot out of yourself now and it's kinda sad. Go beg your daddy to take you to school sometime so you can at least start typing coherent sentences.

    Oh and since sales are so important to you - there is no Forza game in history that has sold more than Gran Turismo 1, 2, 3 OR 4. So by your logic that automatically means that GT is infinetly better - dumbass.

    Don't bother to reply until you get a grip of spelling first, your last post was harder to comprehend than something out of Google Translate..........

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  71. "When GoW1 came out, there were less than 10M 360 sold.... however, when Uncharted 1 came out, there were more than 10M PS3 sold..... so comparing them both makes pretty much sense."

    PS3 sales have never been in front of 360 sales (in terms of total sold). U1 was released more than a year later too, by that time 360 had a bigger community, fanbase etc. Think about it, more people own a 360 console, therefore more likely to purchase gears if war. And don't forget, it was bundled with the 360 for a long time. Also, GOW is a perfect series for microsoft sheep; full of gore and big weapons- "HURP DURP I LIKE TEH RED STUFF AND TAT BIGG CHAINSAW, BRO"- See?

    "Still waiting...... havn't red nothing about quality comparisons between Forza and GT in your poste! And I understand why..... the comparisons made between the only 2 games of both franchises that can be compared (GT4 and Forza 1).... don't seem to prove your point!! Sorry..."

    I said what I needed to say in the sentence after "yeah I want to". Please read a bit more and stop trying to pick out bits of text and turn it into something it's not.


    "I didn't come here to compare both games (I don't give a shit which one is better.... I'll buy tem both)..... I came here because I'm sick and tired to hear Sony fanboys bashing about a game they've never played.... especially when that game (Forza 1)was better than the one (GT4) they take as THE MASTER PIECE OF RACING SIMS!!!"

    Oh yeah, i'm real sure you don't give a shit which is better - that has been the foundation of all your text. Your sick of us defending GT and bashing forza? Rewind.... You have been doing the same thing, except on the other side - just read your last sentence; you might just get the jist of it.

    "however we both know who stood out as the best sim....:P
    Think about that......"

    I was talking about GT5 and F3, why couldn't you just say, "yes you're right?" Please don't even bother relying on metacritic scores to determine which one is better. And GT1,2 or 3 take the crown of the best racing sims, so innovative and influential at the time - there was nothing like it.

    Have you seen the forza developers taking pot shots a polyphony digital? They're already on the defensive - I think I can see skid marks in their undies.

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  72. David McPhail
    Like I said earlier you shouldn't be criticising someone else's spelling when you yourself have made spelling mistakes, a fact made worse for you when you take into account English is your first language and it's his second.

    I can't believe you've sunk so low that you're attacking the grammar and spelling of someone who's native tongue isn't English.
    Someone who can speak more languages than you.

    So stop talking like a retarded troll and go play on your "Playtation" instead of proving how little dignity you have left on here.

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  73. David McPhail

    It appears that some may have problems in typing without grammar mistakes.... Definitely laughable in some situations.... but that's something that can be easily corrected by rereading comments before posting.... On the other side however, your lack of common sense, and your astonishing stupidity regarding all your posts here is an issue that you won't solve that easily!! I went through all these comments just to have the pleasure of enjoying your retarded replies! You define the word MORON!!

    First, you try to prove your point about one thing: The games that sells more copies is definitely the best!

    "No major game in the history of GT has sold LESS than 10 million copies, numbers that any Breakbox 360 game could only DREAM of."

    Then you go on with the same crap...

    "Coincidentally no game on the Xbox 360 has been able to match GT 4's numbers - or even come close for that matter."

    Then, when someone gives the most obvious reply to your stupid comment:

    "Halo 3 has sold more than 10 million. FACT" (daaaa even my mum knows that!)

    You then realize what an asshole you've made out of yourself, and you've got the most iconic answer:

    "First of all, Halo 3 isn't a racing game, you retard. I would think even the most dim -witted 360 fanboy would have known that, do you even know what videogames are?"

    Now I'm the one asking if you understand your own mother tongue! Halo is a 360 game right???? I thing that your own comment applies to you here: "Are you stupid or do you just not follow the games industry at all?"

    You then go on bashing on and on, still convinced that you know it all about racing sims..... and again you prove how braindamaged you are:

    "what was GT's competition when it came out? Err......Colin Mcrae? Need For Speed? Project Gotham Racing? Mario Kart? Wipeout? Pick one you uneducated troll. LOL"

    You manage to put up 2 arcady racing games, 1 childish racing game and a futuristic racing game against the most famous Racing SIMULATOR???? Are you sure you know what SIMULATION actually means??? (Like that guy said: you're like "a virgin talking about sex!!!") I'm sure that if you did know the meaning of simulation, most of your posts over here could have been avoided, making this article much more mature (but certainly less fun....that's for sure!! Wipeout a GT competitor..... even the biggest retard would LOL about this one!)

    Then you go...."the way you're talking it's like you think GT was the first racing game to be invented." Well, you're dam right it wasn't the first racing game..... but until Forza came out.... it didn't seem to get any competition on consoles (don't remember so much controversy between two racing games..... I'm sure if this article was comparing GT to Trackmania.... you wouldn't bother posting right???)

    The funny thing about all your posts is, aside from bushing on people, and show us how assclown you can be, you've brought nothing reasonable to this conversation:
    Not even a word about game quality, online play, AI intelligence, car damage modeling, customization, etc...
    On top of that you keep on trying to compare GT5 to Forza 3.......(without ever having played NONE of them) acting as if it was impossible for Turn 10 to make a better simulator than P.D. Ironically, you seem to avoid comparing GT4 to Forza 1!!! huummm.... let me guess why..... as someone already pointed out, Metacritic scores make your entire argumentation (between GT and Forza franchise) pointless!!

    Reading all your posts over here show your frustration. You must be a short-dicked nerd, bullied at school, who finds comfort behind his PC when not masturbating. Please....there´s such shame of being a solo artist... trust me.... one day you'll find out what sex is (just like I hope you find out what SIMULATION is all about). :P

    Don't even bother replying telling me that you get more uss than a toilet seat....
    Again..... as someone told you earlier:

    "Again you McFail.”
    (See why almost no one here used a name?)

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  74. For those banging on about Metacritic scores: Yes, Uncharted 2 is sitting as the highest rated exclusive this generation, but its still far from the best game this generation.

    i bought it 2 days ago, and it really is just follow the single path from point to point, shoot some guys, repeat. the controls are clunky, the graphics - while very good - do not look particularly realistic, and there is no anti-aliasing whatsoever.

    even most reviews agree that it does nothing new and, much like the first uncharted, its a 'jack of all trades, master of none'. much like GTAIV and MGS4, its just been hyped to all hell by all the magazines/websites that they had to give it 10/10s to save face.

    little big planet, well it deserves a 7-8 based on just the technical side alone. its a marvel to behold. but as a game? its just not very good. yes, ive got it, and yes, ive completed it - it just gets really old, really quickly unless you want to spend dozens upon dozens of hours creating a single level - and lets face it, 99.9% of people dont want to do that.

    the fact that its not that good are evident by its lackluster sales and the fact that noone plays it online, and havent since only a few months after release.

    and hey, just to flame the fanboy wars - halo 3 has sold more copies than the top 3 PS3 exclusives combined (MGS4, Uncharted 2, LBP). guess halo wins.

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  75. @ immediately above me:

    The only reason you claim Uncharted does not have excellent graphics is because you TV is old, ancient with no HD output.

    I bet you don't own a PS3; lying 360 owner in disguise. And what you say about Uncharted not doing nothing new? I guess you really need to go out and buy a system and the game.

    I could see right through your lies. And then you confirmed it by saying Halo 3 beat the best PS3 exclusives in sales combined. Couldn't help yourself could you?

    Go to bed child, and ask mammy for some money to fix that broken 3fixme.

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  76. @immediately above me:

    i have a 40" Sony Bravia V Series, both my 360 and PS3 are connected via HDMI running in 720p (well my 360 is running on my tvs native 1376x768 resolution, thanks to microsoft for supporting more resolutions). so no, its not my 'old, ancient with with no HD output' TV lol. Uncharted 2 looks impressive, but not in the slightest bit real. it looks cartoony, especially the colours. they went out of their way to make it colourful, but lost realism on the way.

    i have my PS3 for the PS3 exclusives, and my 360 for everything else, as thats the way to get the best of the best this generation. i get all the 360 exclusives, the best version of multiplatform games, and the PS3 exclusives.

    i said halo 3 beat the PS3 exclusives in sales just to stir the fanboys up because hey, its fun because the 360 fanboys love halo.....and more importantly, the PS3 fanboys hate halo with a passion and it makes them incredibly angry that nothing on their console can even come remotely close to matching its sales figures.

    but hey, go on and say i dont own a PS3 simply because you probably cant afford to own both lol. ask me any question about Uncharted 2s campaign and ill answer it as i completed it last night.

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