Monday, October 5

Forza 3 Product Manager: We beat GT5 on a lot of features


Think Gran Turismo 5 will be the definitive racing simulator of this generation? Not according to Forza devs it won't. Recently the guys at turn 10 have had choice words for GT5 when compared to their own sim, and most of what was uttered being unpleasant to say the least. Well they're at it again, this time it's Forza 3 product manager Amritz Lay, speaking to EGTV he went on confidently talking up the specs of Forza 3 (which any product manager would do) but what caught me off guard was his direct answer to a question most would dance around.

EGTV: How do you reckon Forza 3 stacks up against GT5?

"We've seen it on the floor, it's a good looking game, in terms of the content feature by feature, you know, I believe we beat them on a lot of the features as well our 400 hundred cars, they're fully built cars, full interiors, uh, fully damageable and deliveries just to mention that user created - user generated content really takes our game to the next level."

The guy's pretty confident in speech and according to him GT5 has nothing on Forza Motor Sport 3, which will be out exclusively for the Xbox 360 on October 23rd 2009. You know what's strange? I have this feeling GT5 fans are laughing their heads off, why? I have no clue, just a feeling. There's nothing to scoff at though, because so far the game's looking sweet. See the full interview now.

10/05/09 Ernice Gilbert

78 comments:

  1. You know they can laugh all they like, i've played both and will be buying both. If you aren't then you're not a real gamer because they both look awesome.

    GT is king of graphics
    Forza is king a community/liveries/auctions/physics/racers/online

    If it looks one sided its because it is so I would save the laugh's. Buy both though, its a win win situation for racing enthusiasts.

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  2. opinions opinios opinios opinions opinions.

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  3. If it's a xbox 360 exclusive, it automatically becomes a 8.5 out of 10 game. Doesn't matter what genre, 8.5. except Splinter cell:conviction, which will be a 9.5. Gran Turismo is the king of Racing sim's and most likely always be.

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  4. lol, GT5 > Froza

    1000 cars vs 400

    yea arcadey rewind sure forza 3 your definaly a car sim.

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  5. I'm completely agree with first comment.
    they're both Fantastic.
    every simulation fan should play both.

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  6. Well it's his job to talk up his own game, isn't it? Though I think he's been a bit overly vitriolic about GT5 in several interviews I've read with him. I find it odd that they feel the need to aggressively defend against a product that isn't out yet, has barely been seen and isn't even on the same platform. Smacks of typical Microsoft marketing desperation to me as followers rather than leaders. Still, I hear the GT team are pretty arrogant too, so we'll wait and see.

    The only real test will come when both games are actually released. Unfortunately GT5 isn't out until March next year, giving us another 4-5 months of meaningless comparisons between Forza 3 and GT: Prologue, or between Forza 3 and GT5 press releases.

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  7. Like all the other racers that try and dethrone Gran Turismo, Forzo will fade into the past, much like Grid, NFS:Shift and Project Gotham while GT will remain the God of racing simulators. Polyphony now has another 6 months to work on GT5 before it's release. It's going to be polished to the bone.

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  8. How can the Product Manager know they beat GT5. I mean it won't come out until March 2010. That's why i am laughing my head off. Because they are all so cocky and i am sure when GT5 comes out this will shut their mouth. They are talking for something they have never seen. And it is widely known GT5 will have almost twice the amount of cars. Either the manager is cocky, or he doesn't know shit.

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  9. lol :) just LOL :)))

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  10. MY KNOB IS ENORMOUS!

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  11. A good hearty laugh every now and then is good for your health :D

    That joker should stop playing so much GT5 and pretending that it is his own game. Get this you funny boy,outside of custom decal,forza is king of NOTHING.

    Full Day/Night cycle, weather system, PHOTOREALISTIC cars, 16 cars races, head tracking, GTTV, everything here is exclusive to GT5. Oh yes, i'm very confident GT5's final damage model will be much bette than forza.

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  12. i play gt5 and is boring like all part

    forza 3 is much better

    Forza 3 FTW

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  13. It's funny how they always try to play down GT5. If you game was so much better you wouldn't have to do that

    GT5 - The King of racing sims

    Forza 3 - The king of arcade racers.

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  14. how can you play gt5 if it's not even out yet? and then you say forza 3 is much better. typical fanboy dumbass

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  15. turn 10 shut up!

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  16. I have play GT from PSX series, but i never finished the game from all series, u know why. coz' the gameplay just that ! u know! u just get license then what, new car and then what!
    I'd Better choose NFS or DIRT2 then GT5 for the gameplay and of the graphics.

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  17. Im a full on PC race sim fan and I have a 360 and played on my mates PS3. GT5 looks great especially the interiors, lighting and driver graphics etc, but from what Prologue had to show the driving style was terrible and didnt do the game any justice... going round a medium corner at 30mph would not have tyre squeal and understeer! Forza 3 is more arcadie and I would place it more of a PGR game than a full on race sim. Ive ordered Forza 3 limited edition and really look forward to playing GT5 in March all depending on wether the devs decide to delay and tweak it more to keep up with the competition.

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  18. I'm laughing at you guys who are going on about how great GT5 is... you complain that Turn 10 are making lots of claims about Forza and GT5 is 6 months away, and what are the GT guys doing? There publishing more and more (photo-shopped) screen shots and making wild claims about the game they haven't finished yet, all at the launch of there main competitor.

    And look how they have had to up and up there claims over the last few weeks to stay on top (Some cars have damage, or wait, all cars have damage, oh wait, all cars have damage and were going to make it better)...!

    So LOL at GT trying as hard as they can to spoil the Forza launch with wild claims, and let's see how many they deliver in 6 months, if they can actually launch without delaying again!

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  19. All talk and no actions.

    They boasted they are better graphically, then they are more fun... then they have rollovers... now features...

    Tomorrow.. what else.... shut up already Turn 10. Let your game do the talking if it's so good like you said it is.

    Jeez.

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  20. "i play GT5 and is boring like all part"
    How can you play the complete game that isn't out yet. You're either an employee of M$ that is being paid to troll the whole net or completely on crack.

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  21. Why are they comparing the games if GT5 isnt even out til next year.

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  22. @ immediately above: That's what you get when passionate console owners defend their game of choice, it's a debate that's expected.

    Both games look great to me, and I'll obviously be getting both of them. Let's keep it clean though, no indecent language will be tolerated on this website. Thanks, admin.

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  23. GT-5 really just isn't that much of a sim. People just insist it is because they have been trained to.

    1000 cars in GT5 sounds great until you realize that over half are just minor variants of models.

    Forza claming to have a massive collection of tracks is silly when several of those tracks are just mirrored or at night or in the rain versions of the actual tracks.

    People bringing Grid into it are laughable. People who think Forza is like PGR have probably never played either one.

    I have no idea which game will be better or why but GT is pretty $#@#ing overrated and really, so is Forza.

    A day night cycle in a racing game sounds stupid as hell. Damage could be good but really racing is not a nascar or birnout sort of thing.

    Both sets of fans are completely full of it.

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  24. I can understand if the Forza 3 team are pleased with their game, fair enough, but why do they spend so much time talking about and slagging off Gran Turismo? It's such a crass and American thing to do. Whenever he's asked about Forza, Yamauchi doesn't say anything either way, he's so much classier than those plebeians.

    As for the games themselves, Forza is a very good halfway house between arcade and sim, but Gran Turismo is the real daddy when it comes to simulation -- I will play and enjoy both for their unique charms.

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  25. NOT AS ENORMOUS AS MINE :)

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  26. Well this is not a surprise is it. Since M$ have joined the console gaming arena, all their fans and studios do is slag of their competitors. So glad I didn't buy a 360 and join the community of xbots (not the decent 360 game owners) and suck up to everything m$ stands for, ie. bullying, copying, patronising, false advertisents (eg. do halo3 or halo odst actually show ingame graphics?! no cos their games are shite), trolling. not one nice thing said or shared has come out of the M$ camp. So you go figure.

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  27. Why is it always the forza 3 devs who are comparing their game. You don't ever see GT Devs trying to be a wannabe. just get on with your own game and deliver what you can...stop all this stupidness. If anything im disliking Turn 10 for making such comparisons all the time, and taunting GT

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  28. As a German I don't need to admit that I am a heck of fan of everything that has four wheels. I am really appreciating the work the guys behind F3 put in to their series. It's always good to have a various choice of racing sims.

    But I really have to say that I deeply disrespect the fact, even if it's marketing strategy without a shadow of a doubt, that they are hyping F3 with those never-stopping comparisons with GT5. It's been quite a while now in which numerous news pop up saying "F3 will beat GT5 in every value." Sure, it's the best way to sell copies of F3 claiming that it will be better than anything in the past, present and future. But, man, I didnt expect this lame strategy. Yamauchi's head has to explode when reading crap like this.

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  29. Forza 3 looks great but i have no respect for the company. They really need to grow up. The things they are saying aren't going to make people buy the game who weren't already.

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  30. I played the demo on my 360 and the graphics is really ugly, looks like a game from the previous generation.

    Actually I don't like sim races at all. What I like is DIRT 2 and MotorStorm: Pacific Rift

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  31. Shitza 3 = Fail

    GT 5 = King of Racing games

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  32. 8 cars on the track is so last generation

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  33. To me forza 3 is better, forget graphics and car, both have great graphics and great cars and both are realistic racing sim the reason i prefer forza is because of the auction house and the car upgrading, and not just little upgrade like GT used to have i mean full on making your car the shit!

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  34. Why cant Turn 10 just let their game do all the talking and stop using GT5 ans their marketing motto, stop hyping your shit game at the cost of downplaying GT5. All this faggets do is expose their insecurity and frustration.

    Turn 10= FAIL worst developer of the year.
    Turn 10 are nothing but a bunch of xbot trolls grinding on the competition hoping to get some slack.

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  35. 1st off anyone thats ever driven a car and played forza and GT knows the 'real driving sim'

    did you know forza 1,2 and 3 have came out in the same time span from GT4-5

    my old mate used to say GT5 will beat forza 2, lol..

    so even if GT5>F2, forza 4 will be out shortly after

    since forza 2 i think its been much much better the GT ever has

    1000 cars? well its under the promised 1000 and when you think that it will gave 60 evos that are all the same car just with diffrent years and engine sizes but look and sound 100% the same, compared with forzas 1 evo, with a choice of engines and drive trains and lots of other things you cant do on GT then those 400 cars are going to go much much further than GT 1000ish

    and hang on whats that F1 teams share notes with forza??

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  36. Anonymous said...

    'Why cant Turn 10 just let their game do all the talking and stop using GT5 ans their marketing motto, stop hyping your shit game at the cost of downplaying GT5. All this faggets do is expose their insecurity and frustration.'

    all your message has shown is your insecurity and frustration.. funny that :D

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  37. Gran turismo will be always the best driving simulator ever made

    as the logo says Gran Turismo "The real Driving Simulator"

    Forza cant even run on Full HD 1080P!! ahhaha xDDD

    forza is shit!!!

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  38. what kind of a reason is that "forza cant run at 1080p" surely you van come up with something better than that, your clearly a GT fanboy.

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  39. I have something, how about the Forza staff shut their mouths for a least a couple of months?

    I've never heard a developer go on and on about another developer. They don't even respect their work. I don't care what game is the best, I just wish Microsoft would tell Forza to have some god damn decency and shut the hell up.

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  40. I prefere Shift Than forza and GT5 will rock and rule all the race games like it used to be...

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  41. They are SO FULL OF THEM SELVES !

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  42. If you are a fan of GT games you must be either have a lot of patience or you are a Pathetic Tool who's waits 3 times as a long for a game that is almost as good as Forza 3 that was made in less than half the time.

    Lemme guess they are already planning a GT6 for the PS4???

    Forza looks every bit as good if not better and has much more realism

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  43. i see it as a cheap ass sales pitch. they even tell you when it's coming out. you have to remember that this is microsoft. they'll sell out for any reason, and duplicate top rating games and call them their own. everything from metal gear solid (splinter cell), to gran turismo (forza). microsoft fell off after halo 2. everything else is being driven as a sale, and they have no reason to give back to the gaming community.

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  44. oh. and enthusiasts know everything about OPTION. does forza have OPTION? didn't think so.

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  45. Forza is okay...but it definietly is on the arcadey side of things, and even though it does look nice, but it looks a bit "too colorful" to the point it looks a lil cartoony in a way...and what is up with the rewind part? that even make it more arcadey-like and not a "true" driving experience...moreso just a good racing game.

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  46. You guys are ridiculous.
    1- Arcadey is not a word
    2- being a "real gamer" is relative and does not require you to play both Forza or FranTurismo or either of the two
    3- both games look great. if you like lots of cars more than you like customization then buy GT5.
    4- if you like customization over lots of cars buy Forza3
    5- if you are going to give a bias fanboy opinion then dont give it

    spyderknot@hotmail.com

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  47. 12 million subscribers to xbox live against a pityful 1.8 million ps3 online users? i rest my case. its a shame, ps3 could have been something once. forza 3 isn't great i know, and gt5 will take a lot of beating. but how many years in development? compared to development work on forza 3?
    await the portable xbox in a few years to run forza 4, you'll see what can be acheived in a short development cycle.

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  48. lmfao......beat GT5 they must be out of their minds..i personaly will be getting both games but i am verey sure the FORZA 3 will not beat GT5 in any way.. sorry guys its true. the 360 is just too weak of a system to make a game that can beat anything on the PS3, AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE I HAVE BOTH SYSTEMS AND DO NOT NEED A SECOND OPINION ON THIS MATTER -_-

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  49. xbox like touching their sisters

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  50. stroke me xbox fans you never had anything worth bragging about.

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  51. @ jon...

    I'm sure everyone knows "arcadey' is not a word, its jsut a descriptive way of describing the gameplay is arcade-like and it is to a degree....just because years of development time doesn't mean a negative, forza development work was short, but does that mean it is a good thing? Not all the time, and Forza 3 is not that much of a leap over the 2nd installment, short development cycle doesn't equate to great things all the time, it can backfire on you and loks like it has from some article circulating on their brash comments, so you do the math on that one...

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  52. I see so many comments about the forza team being full of themselves & the GT team having more class respect or whatever.

    I have one thought, Isn't xbox always boasting? It seems like xbox seems to be the douchebag elitest types.

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  53. the manager is 100% correct. because gt5 is nothing atm. a forza compare with a nothing, of course forza is much better.

    i've playing the gt prologue for how long? 2 years now. people say they still have 6 months to polish the game before it releases next year, i say they just fear that the sale is not good. they are just waiting the number of PS3 in the market to rise. but the fact is that the ps3 sell will never meet their expectation. now that the ps3 slim is out, but the sell is still not big. poor sony. what's more laughable is their psp go. people can only buy download games... but the console has only 16 gigs... what a joke...

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  54. 1, GT5 took many years to develop, it's not because it's going to be extremely good. the reasons is that if it takes more than 1 year to develop, it will release a gt5, gt6, gt7, gt8 every year, and that's the way to do business. i think everyone can understand that. so when people compare gt5's and forza's development time, it's irrelevant.

    2, if forza3 is releasing next few weeks and gt5 is releasing next few months, there's no point comparing them. consider that, when gt5 releases next year, will you compare it with forza4 which is being developed?

    3, because forza3 is releasing next few weeks, so i'll say forza3 is much better, because i'm compare something with nothing. but when gt5 is released next year, i'm sure i'll say gt5 is much better, the same theory applies.

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  55. haha , forza barely' beats prologue, that came out 2 years ago, get with the' times.....

    long live GT, forzas wak, i had forza 2, its a pile of wakk. and do you all know and believe that progect gotham racing is developed by bizare creatiosn, who i think, (i know) had a litte something do do with a racer calle dmetropolis street racer. msr, - pgr. ? huh, lolol, its clear to many hardcore gamers that THIS was the BEST racing game everr. and its still on dreamcast living today.

    pgr team bizare was paid off by microsoft to become exclusive devs, then they sold them to activision because they thought another pgr would interfere with forza2 and forza 3 blockbusters.

    idiots.

    gran turismo is gonna pave the way for all racers in 2010. forza will look as old' and tired' as your nan's rusty banger....

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  56. Its funny people bagging Forza Dev's for answering the questions of the interviewers. It is the gaming media that has kept the flames burning ever since Turn 10 said the words 'definitive racing game this generation' @ E3. It is the the gaming media that asks these A vs B questions to get you fanboys riled up.

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  57. *sigh turn 10 calls out GT-5 because there's always those same asswholes like most on this article who comes all the way over to the xbox 360 side just to bash on the 360 and F3 regardless of if gt-5 wash bashed or not! I see alot of people on here saying GT-5 is this GT-5 is that, but what you fail to relize is that it's basically a myth! This is the same damn game that was originally supposed to come out at launch of the ps3 to answer forza 2's sim on the 360 for ps3 fans! Lol and yet all they've been doing is claiming there adding so many things to the game and sell you a $30 demo to show of it's features it has to come and more. Come on I like the GT series as much as the next guy but at least turn 10 can dish out two fun ass games which most still play F2 till this day more then folks play prologue. Infact nobody doesn't even talk about that damn game since it came out. Honestly yall can say GT-5 is the best sim racing game ever played but as of right now and until what ever future GT-5 comes out Forza 2 and 3 is the best sim arcade whatever you want to call it as but either way is the best RACING game being played on next gene now period!

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